Indonesian people don't know how to discuss. They really don't. From the top well educated people to the very poor educated people - most of them hardly to have a nice and calm discussion.
They can't understand their owns opinions let alone to others. Indeed, very stubborn people. They can't calmer when restating their opinions - would be mad if their opinion rejected.
And these types of people difficult to discuss can only be found in Indonesia!
Seriously, I don't know what else to say - too many times experienced like this. Either men or women, either young or old, too many of them are unyielding.
I can hear you, I can read, I understand totally your 'normal' language, but can't you talk calmer?